MrSmith
Oct 18, 07:13 PM
Title: Tiger. Apple to the core
Apple work made with GraphicConverter and Option-Shift-K.
Updated to include the product name (Tiger).
If I win I will work to make world peace and I will supply free Macs to all taxpayers :D
Apple work made with GraphicConverter and Option-Shift-K.
Updated to include the product name (Tiger).
If I win I will work to make world peace and I will supply free Macs to all taxpayers :D
Perrumpo
Dec 29, 10:43 AM
Sock Monkey
http://www.uptown2000rocks.com/pics/894bfb20.gif
Tickets for a tour of Dogfish Head Brewery
http://www.glunzbeers.com/Brewerylogo/2862008125425959_Dogfish_Brewery_Logo.jpg
7" Digital Picture Frame that plays videos, too
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J11QW-rFL.jpg
Fondue set
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/assets/product_images/230/15117517601156P.JPG
Magic Trackpad
http://images.apple.com/magictrackpad/images/hero_1_20100727.png
iPod nano
http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/253/41/new-apple-8gb-ipod-nano-6th-gen-silver-25341828.jpeg
Cuisinart griddle
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21K7A7G0J3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
WWII in High Def Blu-Ray
http://shop.planesoffame.org/images/60501_60_War_3D(W).jpg
$150 AE gift card
http://moloyo.com/files/items/thumbs/big/9911_9940_400_f.jpg
$50 Wegman's gift card
http://i.pcp001.com/g/WegmansGiftCard.jpg
$50 BP gift card
http://www.chitowncheapskate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gift_card.jpg
$25 TJ Maxx gift card
http://giftcardfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tj-maxx_lg1.jpg
Two $10 iTunes gift cards
http://itsallfreeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/itunes-gift-card-10.jpg
And some beer!
http://definitiveale.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/untitled1.pnghttp://chincholiwines.com/images/int/beer/Schneider-Weisse%20copy.jpghttp://or.worldclassbeverages.com/wp-content/beer_spy/images/prodimages/SouthernTier/lIniquityBottle.jpg
http://www.uptown2000rocks.com/pics/894bfb20.gif
Tickets for a tour of Dogfish Head Brewery
http://www.glunzbeers.com/Brewerylogo/2862008125425959_Dogfish_Brewery_Logo.jpg
7" Digital Picture Frame that plays videos, too
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J11QW-rFL.jpg
Fondue set
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/assets/product_images/230/15117517601156P.JPG
Magic Trackpad
http://images.apple.com/magictrackpad/images/hero_1_20100727.png
iPod nano
http://static.letsbuyit.com/filer/images/uk/products/original/253/41/new-apple-8gb-ipod-nano-6th-gen-silver-25341828.jpeg
Cuisinart griddle
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21K7A7G0J3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg
WWII in High Def Blu-Ray
http://shop.planesoffame.org/images/60501_60_War_3D(W).jpg
$150 AE gift card
http://moloyo.com/files/items/thumbs/big/9911_9940_400_f.jpg
$50 Wegman's gift card
http://i.pcp001.com/g/WegmansGiftCard.jpg
$50 BP gift card
http://www.chitowncheapskate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/gift_card.jpg
$25 TJ Maxx gift card
http://giftcardfree.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/tj-maxx_lg1.jpg
Two $10 iTunes gift cards
http://itsallfreeonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/itunes-gift-card-10.jpg
And some beer!
http://definitiveale.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/untitled1.pnghttp://chincholiwines.com/images/int/beer/Schneider-Weisse%20copy.jpghttp://or.worldclassbeverages.com/wp-content/beer_spy/images/prodimages/SouthernTier/lIniquityBottle.jpg
brock2621
Aug 3, 01:23 PM
Don't have my second monitor hooked up right now, otherwise my contacts list would be over there.
http://grab.by/5IPq
I JUST found that thread and have been crying for 15 minutes straight :D:D:eek::D
http://grab.by/5IPq
I JUST found that thread and have been crying for 15 minutes straight :D:D:eek::D
Blinded
Sep 2, 03:32 AM
and also: are we not able to change things like the "downloads" icon in the dock at all? i can change all of the other ones but i haven't gotten it to work for that one. i didn't have any trouble with documents or the trash so i didn't think there would be a problem with downloads. x.x
You should be able to change your Downloads folder, I've changed my Applications, Utility, Documents & Downloads earlier today. Open the Downloads folder in Finder / Get Info / Under the Sharing & Permissions tab make sure you give "everyone" the privilege to Read & Write. You should now be able to change the smaller icon up top to your choosing.
http://i54.tinypic.com/33tjpsh.png
You should be able to change your Downloads folder, I've changed my Applications, Utility, Documents & Downloads earlier today. Open the Downloads folder in Finder / Get Info / Under the Sharing & Permissions tab make sure you give "everyone" the privilege to Read & Write. You should now be able to change the smaller icon up top to your choosing.
http://i54.tinypic.com/33tjpsh.png
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Philalbe
Mar 21, 09:28 PM
gosh i can remember not that many years ago.. before i had established clients... rent would be due the next day and i was $100 short... then the phone rings with some new low budget client... i tell ya, those problematic and low-budget clients save the day now and again.
until you get established and can reliably and predictably pay the bills each month, be careful which projects you walk away from. once you get going, build up a supply of cash-money, enough to get you through a few bad months.
alot of people here may be established and have good and reliable income, and some may have been substantially profitable from day one, but im sure many of us can remember the early days and the lean days, when you might have taken a client you would never touch nowadays.
always make certain you can pay the bills each month, sometimes that means you have to deal with a knucklehead, or get paid substantially less than what you want, and if it turns out that you have to do just that, don't think less of yourself for it, the lean days will pass, the good days will come. many of us have been there and back, more than once.
be honorable, fair, charitable. in your spare time build websites, etc for people/groups who need them. ie, independent homeless shelters for runaway kids. add it to your portfolio if you need to, especially when your starting out.
Hi. Thanks for the kind advice; I appreciate it. :)
until you get established and can reliably and predictably pay the bills each month, be careful which projects you walk away from. once you get going, build up a supply of cash-money, enough to get you through a few bad months.
alot of people here may be established and have good and reliable income, and some may have been substantially profitable from day one, but im sure many of us can remember the early days and the lean days, when you might have taken a client you would never touch nowadays.
always make certain you can pay the bills each month, sometimes that means you have to deal with a knucklehead, or get paid substantially less than what you want, and if it turns out that you have to do just that, don't think less of yourself for it, the lean days will pass, the good days will come. many of us have been there and back, more than once.
be honorable, fair, charitable. in your spare time build websites, etc for people/groups who need them. ie, independent homeless shelters for runaway kids. add it to your portfolio if you need to, especially when your starting out.
Hi. Thanks for the kind advice; I appreciate it. :)
Alisstar
Apr 6, 11:45 AM
Petabytes didn't exist in my dictionary until today. Thank you, MacRumors.
How many gigabytes is a petabyte anyway?
How many gigabytes is a petabyte anyway?
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kingledley
May 3, 05:43 AM
Guessing that MobileMe (as it is now) will go free, and then the premium service will allow backup and access to all your system. $100 a year for that would definitely be worth it.
innominato5090
Sep 9, 11:33 AM
http://cl.ly/2JIx/content/ (http://cl.ly/2Jom)
I really love the colors of this shot
I really love the colors of this shot
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Squonk
Oct 2, 09:57 AM
Its definitley photoshopped. Wheres all the V1aGR4 emails?
I hope this is not redundant, but I recieved an email from Apple this morning with a preview:
I hope this is not redundant, but I recieved an email from Apple this morning with a preview:
ntrsfrml
Dec 15, 04:43 AM
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future ex-wife
link please!!! :)
future ex-wife
link please!!! :)
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puckhead193
Nov 11, 08:56 PM
A survey of A.C.E. members (American Cinema Editors), who mainly work on 'Hollywood' TV shows and movies, taken around the same time showed that about 80% of members used Avid while about 10% used FCP.
Is there a reason why so many use Avid over FCP?
Is there a reason why so many use Avid over FCP?
Reach9
Mar 23, 09:22 PM
Your apparent eagerness to lay blame on the victim is bizarre and highly questionable.
I'm not blaming woman for being raped, don't get me wrong. In fact i know that a lot of times it doesn't matter what the attire is.
I'm just saying that it increases your chances of getting raped if you're wearing inviting gear. (If the rapist has a sexual desire [that's what i'm talking about])
It's like showing off your Rolex watch while walking by a dangerous area known for robbery and crime.
Should you be robbed? No. But mother always said not to walk around showing off your latest bling in dangerous places. That's the point i meant to make, rape is horrible and a disgusting crime. Don't get me wrong, i don't blame the victim.
Why is dressing provocatively stupid? That's one of the many freedoms women enjoy in the western world, and i enjoy looking at them dressed that way. But I'm not gonna go and rape them. What you're saying confirms Muslim countries justification for sharia law. And I also find it insulting to males, because it says that if a women dresses provocatively then we have no self control and will rape them.
Good for you. You're right, it's a free country, and I love it for being so. I like to keep hold of my morals and I enjoy women who have values, dignity and self respect.
A woman dressing provocatively heightens the chances of assault, that's all i'm saying. I'm not saying that men should rape women who dress provocatively, don't get me wrong.
If you don't think that women who dress provocatively get more attention from men, then it's pointless to continue the discussion.
Sharia Law is just some stupid extremist ideology, i'm not even going to go there.
Good for you to have control, it's not only about controlling themselves, some are stalking women in inviting circumstances. I've seen it myself.
The point is that you have a reasonable expectation of safety regardless of decisions.
Placing more and more responsibility on the victims is a slippery slope.
Today its "don't walk down that street" tomorrow its "what were you doing outside without your gun and bullet proof vest".
No matter the poor nature of one's decision they do not deserve to be raped or murdered. And responsibility for the event belongs solely to the perpetrator.
Agreed. I never said it was, and i never will, rape is absolutely terrible. I understand that a person has a reasonable expectation of safety, I'm just saying that wearing provocative outfit will increase the chances of assault. Is that right? No, but i've seen it myself along with some of my friends victimized numerous times.
It's sad how the world works.
I think the difference is that there are certain situations where i feel that both parties are at fault for the concluding action that was taken place.
For example, if a woman decides to wear provocative clothing and acts accordingly at a bar and then gets assaulted by a drunk man, which afterwards she claims as rape, then i'll be looking into both parties.
Nobody deserves to get raped or murdered, i'm not saying anything like that.
I'm not blaming woman for being raped, don't get me wrong. In fact i know that a lot of times it doesn't matter what the attire is.
I'm just saying that it increases your chances of getting raped if you're wearing inviting gear. (If the rapist has a sexual desire [that's what i'm talking about])
It's like showing off your Rolex watch while walking by a dangerous area known for robbery and crime.
Should you be robbed? No. But mother always said not to walk around showing off your latest bling in dangerous places. That's the point i meant to make, rape is horrible and a disgusting crime. Don't get me wrong, i don't blame the victim.
Why is dressing provocatively stupid? That's one of the many freedoms women enjoy in the western world, and i enjoy looking at them dressed that way. But I'm not gonna go and rape them. What you're saying confirms Muslim countries justification for sharia law. And I also find it insulting to males, because it says that if a women dresses provocatively then we have no self control and will rape them.
Good for you. You're right, it's a free country, and I love it for being so. I like to keep hold of my morals and I enjoy women who have values, dignity and self respect.
A woman dressing provocatively heightens the chances of assault, that's all i'm saying. I'm not saying that men should rape women who dress provocatively, don't get me wrong.
If you don't think that women who dress provocatively get more attention from men, then it's pointless to continue the discussion.
Sharia Law is just some stupid extremist ideology, i'm not even going to go there.
Good for you to have control, it's not only about controlling themselves, some are stalking women in inviting circumstances. I've seen it myself.
The point is that you have a reasonable expectation of safety regardless of decisions.
Placing more and more responsibility on the victims is a slippery slope.
Today its "don't walk down that street" tomorrow its "what were you doing outside without your gun and bullet proof vest".
No matter the poor nature of one's decision they do not deserve to be raped or murdered. And responsibility for the event belongs solely to the perpetrator.
Agreed. I never said it was, and i never will, rape is absolutely terrible. I understand that a person has a reasonable expectation of safety, I'm just saying that wearing provocative outfit will increase the chances of assault. Is that right? No, but i've seen it myself along with some of my friends victimized numerous times.
It's sad how the world works.
I think the difference is that there are certain situations where i feel that both parties are at fault for the concluding action that was taken place.
For example, if a woman decides to wear provocative clothing and acts accordingly at a bar and then gets assaulted by a drunk man, which afterwards she claims as rape, then i'll be looking into both parties.
Nobody deserves to get raped or murdered, i'm not saying anything like that.
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LagunaSol
Mar 23, 12:08 PM
Now if this guy is not leaving to retire. Then RIP Apple.
Good grief, here comes the "Sky is falling!" crowd
Seriously, if Apple thinks I want my computer to resemble an overgrown iPad then they can loose my money and I'll be buying an Alienware.
Have fun with that.
Microsoft seem to be the only ones that still get computers?
Words are not sufficient to respond to this gem.
IMO you don't leave a massively successful company after 22 years without a reason unless your retiring.
Everyone likes to try new things. 22 years is a long time. Most of us would like to drop what we're doing and try something new. Unfortunately, unlike Bertrand, most of us don't have the money to do it.
Good grief, here comes the "Sky is falling!" crowd
Seriously, if Apple thinks I want my computer to resemble an overgrown iPad then they can loose my money and I'll be buying an Alienware.
Have fun with that.
Microsoft seem to be the only ones that still get computers?
Words are not sufficient to respond to this gem.
IMO you don't leave a massively successful company after 22 years without a reason unless your retiring.
Everyone likes to try new things. 22 years is a long time. Most of us would like to drop what we're doing and try something new. Unfortunately, unlike Bertrand, most of us don't have the money to do it.
Auax
Apr 17, 10:27 PM
Try to see if there discussion helps:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2815056?threadID=2815056&tstart=0
They have the same issue you came accross.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2815056?threadID=2815056&tstart=0
They have the same issue you came accross.
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MacRumors
Apr 6, 11:39 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2011/04/06/apple-locks-in-12-petabytes-of-itunes-video-content-storage/)
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edward - Edward Elric
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Edward Elric Knight Angel
edward elric
edward elric
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citizenzen
Mar 20, 11:09 PM
Prisons, therefore, have no business trying to mete out punishment by making convicts miserable. It serves no useful purpose and I believe is actually counterproductive in that it breeds resentment toward society in the heart of the prisoner. Everything we do to make the prisoner (who may be released at some point) miserable reduces the likelihood that they can successfully rejoin society.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I just thought of this and correct me if I'm wrong ...
One of the most insidious and prevalent injuries suffered by soldiers in war is post-traumatic stress disorder. It effects their ability to relate to people and to return to a normal life when they return home. I will bet that for many, prison has the same effect. In fact, a quick search finds that to be the case.
Go here (http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/prison2home02/Haney.htm) to read the whole report. Excerpts From the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ...
From Prison to Home: The Effect of Incarceration and Reentry on Children, Families, and Communities
The Psychological Impact of Incarceration: Implications for Post-Prison Adjustment
Abstract
This paper examines the unique set of psychological changes that many prisoners are forced to undergo in order to survive the prison experience. It argues that, as a result of several trends in American corrections, the personal challenges posed and psychological harms inflicted in the course of incarceration have grown over the last several decades in the United States. The trends include increasingly harsh policies and conditions of confinement as well as the much discussed de-emphasis on rehabilitation as a goal of incarceration. As a result, the ordinary adaptive process of institutionalization or "prisonization" has become extraordinarily prolonged and intense. Among other things, these recent changes in prison life mean that prisoners in general (and some prisoners in particular) face more difficult and problematic transitions as they return to the freeworld. A range of structural and programmatic changes are required to address these issues. Among other things, social and psychological programs and resources must be made available in the immediate, short, and long-term. That is, modified prison conditions and practices as well as new programs are needed as preparation for release, during transitional periods of parole or initial reintegration, and as long-term services to insure continued successful adjustment.
We are doing our society, as well as these prisoners a grave disservice by continuing to subject them to these conditions.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I just thought of this and correct me if I'm wrong ...
One of the most insidious and prevalent injuries suffered by soldiers in war is post-traumatic stress disorder. It effects their ability to relate to people and to return to a normal life when they return home. I will bet that for many, prison has the same effect. In fact, a quick search finds that to be the case.
Go here (http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/prison2home02/Haney.htm) to read the whole report. Excerpts From the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services ...
From Prison to Home: The Effect of Incarceration and Reentry on Children, Families, and Communities
The Psychological Impact of Incarceration: Implications for Post-Prison Adjustment
Abstract
This paper examines the unique set of psychological changes that many prisoners are forced to undergo in order to survive the prison experience. It argues that, as a result of several trends in American corrections, the personal challenges posed and psychological harms inflicted in the course of incarceration have grown over the last several decades in the United States. The trends include increasingly harsh policies and conditions of confinement as well as the much discussed de-emphasis on rehabilitation as a goal of incarceration. As a result, the ordinary adaptive process of institutionalization or "prisonization" has become extraordinarily prolonged and intense. Among other things, these recent changes in prison life mean that prisoners in general (and some prisoners in particular) face more difficult and problematic transitions as they return to the freeworld. A range of structural and programmatic changes are required to address these issues. Among other things, social and psychological programs and resources must be made available in the immediate, short, and long-term. That is, modified prison conditions and practices as well as new programs are needed as preparation for release, during transitional periods of parole or initial reintegration, and as long-term services to insure continued successful adjustment.
We are doing our society, as well as these prisoners a grave disservice by continuing to subject them to these conditions.
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maclaptop
Apr 27, 06:10 PM
In the full interview, Jobs discusses why it took Apple nearly a week to respond to the issue, noting that the company needed to take the time to investigate the situation and figure out how best to relate the information to the public.
What a load of crap, they've always tracked users, as have all the other makers. This is not unique to Apple, nor is it unique to any smartphone brand or model.
The only surprise would be to those who do not read the EULA.
You bought it, you signed for it, you had a chance to read the EULA.
If you failed to, because "it was too long and complicated" sorry but that's on you.
Me?
I could give a flip, it's part of the connected web experience of my daily life. I don't have anything to hide and even if I did, there's no hiding anything these days anyway.
Anyone thinking differently, is either going to one hell of a lot of trouble to hide, or is simply in denial.
What a load of crap, they've always tracked users, as have all the other makers. This is not unique to Apple, nor is it unique to any smartphone brand or model.
The only surprise would be to those who do not read the EULA.
You bought it, you signed for it, you had a chance to read the EULA.
If you failed to, because "it was too long and complicated" sorry but that's on you.
Me?
I could give a flip, it's part of the connected web experience of my daily life. I don't have anything to hide and even if I did, there's no hiding anything these days anyway.
Anyone thinking differently, is either going to one hell of a lot of trouble to hide, or is simply in denial.
PatrickRolfsen
Jan 14, 06:57 AM
I love the play by play given on the homepage here, but I rather prefer the video edition provided on itunes- does anyone remember from last year how long it took after the keynote was given before it was posted on iTunes?
number9
Apr 13, 11:23 AM
As someone is sure to have said already, maybe this just means they won't be making the screen any bigger, and will just be using the same panel. Maybe all of these "edge to edge" screen rumors just mean that the phone will actually shrink in width or height?
Heijtink
Apr 6, 01:52 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8G4 Safari/6533.18.5)
It'll take you little over 111 days to download it's entire capacity via Thunderbolt.
It'll take you little over 111 days to download it's entire capacity via Thunderbolt.
ViciousShadow21
Sep 2, 07:09 AM
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9976/screenshot20100902at257.png
haven't had my new computer long so i've been messing around with icons and looking up desktop pictures on interfacelift.com
possible to link the original from interface?
haven't had my new computer long so i've been messing around with icons and looking up desktop pictures on interfacelift.com
possible to link the original from interface?
gnasher729
Mar 21, 09:02 AM
Sorry for the rant, but I felt like I needed to vent to fellow designers. Anyone else have any horror stories?:)
Some people will walk all over you if you let them. Send an email "on the previous job I was paid for 3 hours but my total time spent was actually xxx hours. I can't afford jobs like that, so if you want another job done, you'll have to agree that time spent on phone calls will be billed as well. " And buy a stopwatch.
Your job is not to produce graphics designs. Your job is to produce billable hours.
Hi. Thanks for the reply. I do have a pretty good archiving system. I have a folder untitled "freelance" and therein is a folder named after each client and then each project. The guy kind of threw me with the sudden weekend call. You're right about the phone time too. No more mister nice guy; there's no reason to cheat myself for billable meeting time when I'm already lowballing myself.:)
Add: "Weekend work, including phone calls is charged at double rate. Sunday work at triple rate. ".
Some people will walk all over you if you let them. Send an email "on the previous job I was paid for 3 hours but my total time spent was actually xxx hours. I can't afford jobs like that, so if you want another job done, you'll have to agree that time spent on phone calls will be billed as well. " And buy a stopwatch.
Your job is not to produce graphics designs. Your job is to produce billable hours.
Hi. Thanks for the reply. I do have a pretty good archiving system. I have a folder untitled "freelance" and therein is a folder named after each client and then each project. The guy kind of threw me with the sudden weekend call. You're right about the phone time too. No more mister nice guy; there's no reason to cheat myself for billable meeting time when I'm already lowballing myself.:)
Add: "Weekend work, including phone calls is charged at double rate. Sunday work at triple rate. ".
Vegasman
Apr 4, 12:56 PM
LOL. They "need" the info to offer us a better deal. Priceless.
Of course. Say you are a subscriber and then decide to cancel for some reason - maybe it's too expensive.
When a cheaper version becomes available, FT would like to be able to contact you to let you know about the new deal.
Or maybe they would like to offer you a welcome back deal.
Or maybe...
The point is, there are a lot of reasons a company would want this information that does not involve selling your information to someone else.
Of course. Say you are a subscriber and then decide to cancel for some reason - maybe it's too expensive.
When a cheaper version becomes available, FT would like to be able to contact you to let you know about the new deal.
Or maybe they would like to offer you a welcome back deal.
Or maybe...
The point is, there are a lot of reasons a company would want this information that does not involve selling your information to someone else.
jsw
Sep 24, 07:46 PM
Yah.
And, by the way, thank you so much for making me think of my parents having sex.
Edit: and I still think the first way to get on that road to being a grounded adult is to get out of his freaking parent's house. Until then, he should have to experience exactly the parental attitude that Chundles (sarcastically) described.
Disclaimer: And, yes, I had no chance whatsoever to get laid when I was 18, so, yeah, I'm freaking jealous. Also, had I told my parents I was going over to sleep at my girlfriend's house, they (a) would have fainted out of sheer disbelief, then (b) beat the crap out of me.
And, by the way, thank you so much for making me think of my parents having sex.
Edit: and I still think the first way to get on that road to being a grounded adult is to get out of his freaking parent's house. Until then, he should have to experience exactly the parental attitude that Chundles (sarcastically) described.
Disclaimer: And, yes, I had no chance whatsoever to get laid when I was 18, so, yeah, I'm freaking jealous. Also, had I told my parents I was going over to sleep at my girlfriend's house, they (a) would have fainted out of sheer disbelief, then (b) beat the crap out of me.
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